|Re: Trial Shows How Spammers Operate|
Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:16:58 -0800
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:22:44 -0500, Dan Lanciani wrote:|
> firstname.lastname@example.org (jdj) wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:12:34 -0500, Dan Lanciani wrote:
>>> Interesting. I didn't realize that this was considered a bad thing.
>> There are a lot of people who equate receiving spam to stepping in what
> This makes no sense. How exactly can you avoid "receiving spam"?
Huh? I don't find mention of avoiding spam here. This was relating the
>> It makes them all kinds of upset when someone suggests doing something
> Tell me how to kill received spam without also killing legitimate mail
OK, now I _am_ confused.
Moving on ...
>>> My filters respond to every (seemingly) spam message with a note
That's not too many... :)
>> Chances are that your filters are sending responses to forged
> Obviously. But why should I care? The point of the response is to tell
Not a good idea for someone in business. Not a few people will not bother
>> Occasionally I see messages like that and they are treated like spam,
> That works only if you have time to look at all the messages. I don't.
Not even such messages that make it through the filters?
> Yes, that would have been helpful ...
Well, it is a rare spammer, if any, that requests a mail response. I
>> I meant responding by using the url's in the mail body.
> Only a small minority of the spam emails that I've examined bother to
Well, not all are so encoded. There are other ways, quite trivial. No, I
You know, there are things you can do to cut back on the connections from
>> Since spammers never use a real From: address replying by mail is
> It is extremely useful for my purposes; it just may not happen to also
>> Spammers hit every machine with an open smtp port. If your mail server
> My machine doesn't look like a relay and they are not trying to use it
I wonder what makes your mailer so special that they keep trying
I rarely see such traffic. They nearly always are looking for relays.
>> A SYN would do nothing and with multiple SYNs being sent from all over
> That's quite a stretch, given that each SYN would be in response to
What would you think if you were getting thousands of SYNs from all over
>> To be charged for a hit a page must be requested. So sending a SYN
> So you are saying that spam hosters do not charge their clients for IP
As I said, they charge for hits. SYNs are not hits. Wishes are not
> Unfortunately, I can't afford to waste the bandwidth by actually
Then the trick is not for you.
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